Dialogue of Comfort Against Tribulation

Chapter 7

VINCENT: Forsooth, uncle, this thing yet seemeth to me a somewhat

sore sentence, not because I think otherwise but that there is

good cause and great wherefore a man should so sorrow, but because

of truth sometimes a man cannot be sorry and heavy for his sin

that he hath done, though he never so fain would. But though he

can be content for God's sake to forbear it thenceforth, yet not

only can he not weep for every sin that is past, but some were

haply so wanton that when he happeth to remember them he can

scantly forbear to laugh.

Now, if contrition and sorrow of heart be so requisite of

necessity to remission, many a man should stand, it seemeth, in a

very perilous state.

ANTHONY: Many so should indeed, cousin, and indeed many do so.

And the old saints write very sore on this point. Howbeit, "the

mercy of God is above all his works," and he standeth bound to no

common rule. "And he knoweth the frailty of this earthen vessel

that is of his own making, and is merciful and hath pity and

compassion upon our feeble infirmities," and shall not exact of us

above the thing that we can do.

And yet, cousin, he who findeth himself in that state, let him

give God thanks that he is no worse, in that he is minded to do

well hereafter. But in that he cannot be sorry for his sin passed,

let him be sorry at least that he is no better. And as St. Jerome

biddeth him who sorroweth in his heart for sin to be glad and

rejoice in his sorrow, so would I counsel him who cannot be sad

for his sin to be sorry at least that he cannot be sorry!

Besides this, though I would in no wise that any man should

despair, yet would I counsel such a man while that affection

lasteth not to be bold of courage, but to live in double fear:

First, because it is a token either of faint faith or of a dull

diligence. For surely if we believe in God, and therewith deeply

consider his high majesty, with the peril of our sin and the great

goodness of God also, then either dread should make us tremble and

break our stony heart, or love should for sorrow relent it into

tears. Besides this, because, since so little misliking of our old

sin is an affection not very pure and clean, and since no unclean

thing shall enter into heaven, I can scantly believe but it shall

be cleansed and purified before we come there. And therefore would

I further give one in that state the counsel which Master Gerson

giveth every man: that since the body and the soul together make

the whole man, the less affliction he feeleth in his soul, the

more pain in recompense let him put upon his body, and purge the

spirit by the affliction of the flesh. And he who so doth, I dare

lay my life, shall have his hard heart afterward relent into

tears, and his soul in a wholesome heaviness and heavenly gladness

too--especially if he join therewith faithful prayer, which must

be joined with every good thing.

But, cousin, as I told you the other day, in these matters with

these new men I will not dispute, but surely for mine own part I

cannot well hold with them. For as far as mine own poor wit can

perceive, the holy scripture of God is very plain against them,

and the whole corps of Christendom in every Christan region. And

the very places in which they dwell themselves have ever unto

their own days clearly believed against them and all the old holy

doctors have evermore taught against them, and all the old holy

interpreters have construed against them. And therefore if these

men have now perceived so late that the scripture hath been

misunderstood all this while, and that of all those old holy

doctors no man could understand it, then am I too old at this age

to begin to study it now! And I dare not in no wise trust these

men's learning, cousin, since I cannot see nor perceive any cause

wherefore I should think that these men might not now in the

understanding of scripture as well be deceived themselves as they

would have us believe all those others have been, all this while

before.

Howbeit, cousin, if it so be that their way be not wrong, but that

they have found out so easy a way to heaven as to take no thought,

but make merry, nor take no penance at all, but sit them down and

drink well for our Saviour's sake--set cockahoop and fill all the

cups at once, and then let Christ's passion pay for all the

scot--I am not he who will envy their good hap. But surely,

counsel dare I give no man to adventure that way with them. But

those who fear lest that way be not sure, and take upon themselves

willingly tribulation of penance--what comfort they do take, and

well may take therein, that have I somewhat told you already. And

since these other folk sit so merry with such tribulation, we need

talk to them, you know, of no such manner of comfort.

And therefore of this kind of tribulation will I make an end.